tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post4994341736033378878..comments2024-03-14T10:31:26.918+00:00Comments on DCblog: On quotatives (he goes)DChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10192779827863835310noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-62394843655691248432012-05-11T04:57:19.802+00:002012-05-11T04:57:19.802+00:00Paul Kay (who dud the work on Basic Color Terms wi...Paul Kay (who dud the work on Basic Color Terms with Brent Berlin) remarked to me some years ago that he had noticed his teenage daughters using "go" with quoted speech where Paul could only use "say". Old style, "go" reports a noise or sound which might be an expression of language, but need not be, but "say" in both direct and indirect speech is reserved for reporting language expressions. New style, "go" is used where "say" used to be.Gregory Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293280236115306205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-15338503471708661862012-05-03T21:13:31.355+00:002012-05-03T21:13:31.355+00:00My main publication here is Prosodic Systems and I...My main publication here is Prosodic Systems and Intonation in English (Cambridge University Press, 1969, but still in print). There are also some relevant papers in the section on English on my website, from the 1960s and 1970s.DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192779827863835310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-9825229740906061062012-05-02T11:58:39.940+00:002012-05-02T11:58:39.940+00:00Good evening! Where can I find full information ab...Good evening! Where can I find full information about your point of view on the functions of English intonation? I know that according to your work there are emotional, grammatical, informational, textual and psychological functions. <br />Sincerely yours Valery from Yakutia, Russia.sophomorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09829679632761700006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-83925242312886633402012-04-12T13:29:32.146+00:002012-04-12T13:29:32.146+00:00While 'go' is a dynamic verb, its really r...While 'go' is a dynamic verb, its really rare to find a dynamic verb acting as a discourse particle! ('Like' likewise)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-27714106637459575212012-03-09T13:21:00.658+00:002012-03-09T13:21:00.658+00:00Rick and David Crosbie make great points. I agree ...Rick and David Crosbie make great points. I agree that it is quite apparent from these examples that "go" introduces depictions, descriptions, or imitations of both verbal and non-verbal "behaviour" or events traceable to an "agent" or object, a far more general function than that of "say", which *exclusively* introduces (approximately) literal quotes of verbal behaviour originating from human or anthropomorphised agents. Another example I thought of, to illustrate the combination animal + sound effect, is the phrase well-known as a song title, "Pop! goes the weasel".Florian Blaschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04332341267947487410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-69900325726329500922012-03-06T21:33:19.799+00:002012-03-06T21:33:19.799+00:00Of course not. But this post focused only on go. ...Of course not. But this post focused only on <i>go</i>. and other quotatives tell a different story.DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192779827863835310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-58910944328535840662012-03-06T16:01:29.412+00:002012-03-06T16:01:29.412+00:00And, of course, we shouldn't forget quotative ...And, of course, we shouldn't forget quotative 'like', which can be used for recounting unspoken thoughts and feelings too, e.g. "And I'm like, what am I doing here?"Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667291669568858805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-80517839880944176792012-03-06T14:40:54.727+00:002012-03-06T14:40:54.727+00:00I have to agree with Rick. Come to Bognor Regis, a...I have to agree with Rick. Come to Bognor Regis, and you'll often hear conversations that contains only the words "and she goes ... and he goes ... and she goes ... and then he goes ...", followed up uproarious laughter. Only if you're watching can you follow what's actually happening - at least half of it is facial expressions, actions and gestures.Cathyhttp://rantingsubs.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-83506189219596379292012-03-05T00:59:53.284+00:002012-03-05T00:59:53.284+00:00In the OED that isn't a supplement, there'...In the OED that isn't a supplement, there's a section on use of <i>go</i>+SOUND EFFECT. The difference is that that it's not human agents making the noise but things. In the earliest quote it's a part of a human:<br /><br /><i>1791 W. Cowper Retirem. 79 His noble heart went pit-a-pat.</i><br /><br />The second quote after the Dickens in the 1993 Draft Edition is actually an example of this non human noise-making, but used as a metaphor for a human — a chorus girl whose vocal effects only <b>resembled</b> bird chirping.<br /><br /><i>She was a dear little dickey bird, ‘Chip, chip, chip,’ she went.</i><br /><br />So there's a direct line from a thing producing a noise (still extremely common) to a human producing a noise (76% of that sample) to a human producing words (not yet universal, but common enough to be noticed).<br /><br />For those who don't know the song, the rest of the chorus goes:<br /><br /><i>Sweetly she sang to me, Till all my money was spent<br />Then she went off song, We parted on fighting terms<br />For she was one of the early birds, And I was one of the worms</i>David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-51365967762091336412012-03-04T23:04:14.936+00:002012-03-04T23:04:14.936+00:00Interesting point. I think it would be unusual to ...Interesting point. I think it would be unusual to encounter <i>go</i> with nonverbal behaviour without some sort of accompanying vocalization.DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192779827863835310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-3414699845735550002012-03-04T22:49:24.434+00:002012-03-04T22:49:24.434+00:00When you noted that go is often followed by an int...When you noted that <i>go</i> is often followed by an interjection or vocal effect, I thought you were about to observe an additional difference: that <i>go</i> is just more general in meaning, in that it can announce any kind of oral behavior, including whistling, screaming, or tsk-tsking--for all of which <i>say</i> would be nonstandard. For that matter, can't <i>go</i> introduce any kind of self-expression at all, including shrugging the shoulders or doing a face palm, and even non-speech-substitute behavior such as demonstrating a punch in the nose?<br /><br />Is there some reason to single out quotative <i>go</i> as different from these other uses? Or should we turn it around and say that a former distinction is being eroded by the extension of <i>go</i>'s scope to demonstrating speech acts as well as other forms of self-expression?Rick Spraguenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-76055908161191661742012-03-04T15:37:24.599+00:002012-03-04T15:37:24.599+00:00Cows generally go "moo" rather than sayi...Cows generally go "moo" rather than saying "moo".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-81419139986739853052012-03-04T15:22:43.751+00:002012-03-04T15:22:43.751+00:00Comedic exaggerations do point to genuine linguist...Comedic exaggerations do point to genuine linguistic trends, but they mustn't be taken to reflect what actually goes on in informal speech.DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192779827863835310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377709913595182916.post-46738097052244060942012-03-04T15:15:08.683+00:002012-03-04T15:15:08.683+00:00Catherine Tate's valley girl?Catherine Tate's valley girl?Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.com